Tucker Carlson debated Stormy Daniels' attorney Michael Avenatti, live on "Tucker Carlson Tonight" Thursday, after weeks of trading barbs off-air.

Carlson asked Avenatti, whom he's often called the "Creepy Porn Lawyer," about his presidential ambitions, after Avenatti spoke at a rally after President Trump's summit with Vladimir Putin.

Carlson said that Avenatti was engaging in "reckless rhetoric" and accusing Russia of "an act of war" in its alleged meddling in American elections, when Avenatti compared the allegations to posting Russian troops on its American border.

Avenatti called that accusation "ironic," saying that it is Carlson who uses "reckless" political rhetoric.

Carlson disagreed, adding that Avenatti was recklessly "exploiting" Daniels, his client.

"You're exploiting her and you know that," Carlson said. 

"Sir, this is absurd," Avenatti said. "Why don't you call Trump the 'creepy porn president'?"

"I think you demean her repeatedly and I think you're a hypocrite," Avenatti shot back.

Carlson said Avenatti has been profiting from Daniels' profile as a pornographic actress pursuing legal action against Trump.


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"She wants to [be a pornographic actress], Tucker," Avenatti said, accusing Carlson of giving Trump "a pass" for having a consensual sexual dalliance with Daniels and allegedly lying about it.

Carlson riffed that Avenatti is being quite "a moralizer for a guy who does what you do."

Avenatti asked if Carlson has ever viewed pornography or if he would accept viewership from people who do so.

"[Only] humiliation porn. That's why I watch you on CNN," Carlson responded.

Watch the full interview above and see Mark Steyn's reaction, here.


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