After the close of a year that saw 762 murders in Chicago, a city with some of the toughest gun laws in America, Tucker Carlson took a look at whether the left's central assumption about gun control is wrong.
Joshua Horwitz, the executive director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence told Carlson that one of the main reasons for high levels of gun violence is trafficking of weapons from precincts with lax laws.
He noted that Chicago is very close to Indiana and Wisconsin, which have looser gun laws than the Windy City.
Carlson responded that gun violence is very low in states with such lax laws, like Vermont, New Hampshire and Wyoming, declaring that trafficking cannot be the sole cause of Chicago's high murder rate.
Horwitz disagreed, pointing to nearby Missouri, which saw a spike in the homicide rate after getting rid of their gun violence prevention package.
He credited New York City's lower gun violence rate to its location in a "safer neighborhood" with restrictive states like New Jersey and Connecticut nearby.
He maintained that trafficking is indeed a big problem for Chicago, saying that the federal government should legislate so the number of out-of-state firearms used in shootings there is not the 60 percent rate it was in 2016.
"[So,] the real reason is all the fault of Indiana?" Tucker asked.
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