Journalist Carl Bernstein joined The O’Reilly Factor this week where he faced off with Bill about Republican leadership during the government shutdown.

O’Reilly said that Bernstein calling  Republicans a “rabid” organization “unfairly demonized” them, considering the GOP was “all over the place” during the shutdown negotiations. Bernstein said Republican leaders shouldn’t have been swayed by their “know-nothing faction.”

“That’s because they wanted to give Ted Cruz and some of the other congressmen…a chance to make their case that ObamaCare is harming the folks,” O’Reilly said.

“And so you shut down the government to make your case?” Bernstein shot back.

O’Reilly said he was never in favor of shutting down the government.

“But that’s what you knew was going to happen!” Bernstein said.

Watch the rest of the debate above.