On today's 'Cavuto on Business,' Fox News host Neil Cavuto ​lambasted guest Julian Epstein, during a fervent discussion on the NSA’s tracking of Americans' Internet data and phone records, for refusing to acknowledge that this has become a pattern.


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Cavuto argued that this latest revelation is part of a larger trend when it comes to the Obama administration. He said that collecting phone records, the IRS’s targeting of conservative groups, and the Justice Department’s surveillance of Associated Press and Fox News reporters are all part of a “systemic pattern of invading people’s privacy and using the full weight and power of the United States government to be a real pain in the ass.”

Epstein chastised Cavuto for conflating the issues, but Cavuto interjected, “Why don’t you think about what I just said, Julian. […] Drop the liberal thing and focus on the reality thing! You have one entity after another going after American people […] essentially doing the same thing. You can call that conflating; I am telling you there’s a pattern and you’re just shrugging your shoulders.”


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“I guarantee you, Julian, if it were George Bush doing it, you would rightly be all over it,” Cavuto charged.

Epstein maintained that there was no connection between the White House and the IRS scandal. Furthermore, he said no one in the DOJ was criminalizing investigative reporting, despite Fox News reporter James Rosen being named a possible “co-conspirator.”

Cavuto had heard enough. “You’re saying nothing and it’s offensive! […] It’s annoying how obnoxious you can be on the reality…”

Epstein attempted to continue to the debate, but Cavuto lashed back, “I’m not going to play this game with you, Julian. You play the same damn game.”

“Cut his mic,” Cavuto repeated when Epstein kept interrupting. Tossing the segment to guest Ben Stein, Cavuto said, “I want to keep politics out of it. […] I want to just address a pattern of behavior.”

When Epstein once again tried to defend the administration’s actions, Cavuto responded, “Stop, stop. I’m not going to get in a he said, she said kind of thing on something that I think is just a nonsensical, stupid point.”

Watch part one of the segment above and part two below:


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