Video & Transcript: Hannity Takes on OWS Organizer in Explosive Interview
'Occupy Wall Street' organizer Harrison Schultz sat down with Sean Hannity on last night's show to discuss his views on the problems with capitalism ... but what transpired on air was an explosive back-and-forth. Hannity challenged the protester on things like his claims of the NYPD's involvement in planting rapists at Zuccotti Park, as well as how he expects the government to pay for demands of free housing, medical care, education and transportation. Plus, hear Schultz's response when Hannity asks where the student loan money he lives off of actually comes from.
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Read the full interview in the transcript below, and watch the video:
SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS HOST: My next guest, an "Occupy Wall Street" organizer says that the left-wing fringe group has a tall and radical order ahead of them. Harrison Schultz was asked on May Day about his organization's motives. Let's listen to what he had to say.
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HARRISON SCHULTZ, "OCCUPY" PARTICIPANT: We never left. We were just tired. I mean, anarchy isn't easy. This is a lot of work. We had to hibernate for awhile, but today we are resurging. The energy is really good out in the streets.
The problem here is capitalism. That's what needs to change. That's what is failing all of these people. I personally don't care about this election. I know other people are working on it.
But I am looking at far, far more radical alternatives than political alternatives. I would like to actually see a new form of politics entirely.
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HANNITY: So anarchy is not easy and more radical alternatives are being explored. Well, from the look of these new pictures from May Day, well, they seem to be pretty radical alternatives to me.
Now the protest quickly turned into a violent and dangerous scene of smashing store windows, attacking police, defacing bank and store fronts.
Joining me now to explain what the motives of this group really are, "Occupy Wall Street" organizer, Harrison Schultz. Thanks for being here.
HARRISON SCHULTZ, OCCUPY WALL STREET ORGANIZER: Thanks for having me, Sean.
HANNITY: Appreciate it.
SCHULTZ: Let me start by saying, thank you for letting a dirty hippie come in and explain his views -- this is the way your news network is portraying us.
HANNITY: Did I say you are dirty, a hippie. Did I say any of that?
SCHULTZ: Yes, in August. You were making fun of my friends?
HANNITY: You mean the ones having sex in public, doing drugs and defecating on cars and those who are on other cities that were actually being violent breaking store windows, cursing out police and all of that? You mean those guys, those guys?
SCHULTZ: No, no, no. Those were the people that the NYPD was sending to the park to discredit us and make us look bad. And actually give your network --
HANNITY: So you are in Zuccotti Park.
SCHULTZ: I stopped hanging out --
HANNITY: "Yes" or "no." Were you at the park?
HANNITY: Why did they set up a special, protective rape-free zone tent because of the rapes that took place in Zuccotti Park.
SCHULTZ: The NYPD was sending rapists down to the park.
HANNITY: So the NYPD -- do you have any evidence about this? I asked you a question -- the "New York Times" said that the police sent rapists to rape women down there.
SCHULTZ: They sent alcoholics. They sent offenders. They sent people who were convicted of rapes.
HANNITY: Do you have any evidence to back it up --
SCHULTZ: I can give testimony. I didn't bring my files with me, but you can check this out --
HANNITY: The New York Police Department brought rapists in and as a result women were raped so a special rape protective zone was set up?
SCHULTZ: You got to admit, it was a really cynical, really effective tactic on the part of the authorities. They knew that we wouldn't turn people away because we like to help people, like Christians should -- though most of us are not Christian. It exploited a lot of our values and turned it against us.
HANNITY: What about the violence that took place in other cities and the broken store windows and the sex in public and drug use in public and defecating on a police car, was that a police conspiracy too?
SCHULTZ: I don't think there is anything particularly radical -- that's very cliche --
HANNITY: Things in public happen, rape in Zuccotti Park happens.
SCHULTZ: These things are not cool. These things are beyond --
HANNITY: Rape is not cool, OK?
SCHULTZ: Yes, it's beyond not cool. It's horrible, but I am trying to keep the conversation -- let's keep going --
HANNITY: I have a handbook here. Have you seen this?
SCHULTZ: No. I've never seen that.
HANNITY: In the back of this book, it has a link to a web site, bombs and shields. Ever been to that web site?
SCHULTZ: Never been to that site.
HANNITY: What is your problem with capitalism -- how old are you?
SCHULTZ: I'm 29, sir. How old are you?
HANNITY: I'm 50. I look younger.
SCHULTZ: Yes, you do. You look good.
HANNITY: Thank you very much. I appreciate that coming from an "Occupy Wall Street" guy. Here's -- 29 years old, you have a job?
SCHULTZ: I did. I was laid off.
HANNITY: What was your job?
SCHULTZ: I was a business intelligence analyst before I was doing data analysis in advertise ago.
HANNITY: I don't need your life story. How do you make money?
SCHULTZ: You looked me up. So you probably know this.
HANNITY: How do you make money today?
SCHULTZ: Right now, I am living off student loans.
HANNITY: Aren't student loans meant for college?
SCHULTZ: Grad school.
HANNITY: Do you go to college?
SCHULTZ: I go to grad school.
HANNITY: OK, you go to grad school so that also provides money for housing. You have a place to live?
SCHULTZ: It's all private loans. They give me the money and that covers my living expenses.
HANNITY: Who gives you the money?
SCHULTZ: Access Group, U.S. federal loans. I forget.
HANNITY: All right, I looked at definition that they have and what an anarchist is.
SCHULTZ: You keep changing the subject -- I would like to keep talking about my problems with capitalism, personally. I would like to talk about my solutions, too.
HANNITY: You want to post your own show.
SCHULTZ: I would! That's what the up on movement is about, it's about getting people to host their own shows and stop listening to people like you. We don't need you anymore. Your viewership is on the decline --
HANNITY: Actually, I hate to tell you something, but this channel has been number one for 12 years. Number one in this slot, over a decade. Obviously, you don't -- the "New York Times" is all you read, you don't have good information.
SCHULTZ: No, no. I have never seen your show until today.
HANNITY: What do you know about me and my show and my thoughts on capitalism?
SCHULTZ: I don't think really have any. I think you are leer to argue and create sensationalism.
HANNITY: Are you going to defend the rapes and you're going to blame the police --
SCHULTZ: I am not defending. I am telling you where this is coming from.
HANNITY: You said the police department of New York City brought in rapists to blame up on people. You deny the violence -
SCHULTZ: They sent vagrants. They sent alcoholics --
HANNITY: You don't work, you go to school. Fair enough.
SCHULTZ: I am broke.
HANNITY: What's wrong with capitalism, what?!
SCHULTZ: Actually --
HANNITY: Tell us.
SCHULTZ: The fact that people are -- the fact that unemployment is 8%, twice that, 16 percent.
HANNITY: That's right.
SCHULTZ: For people within my age group and the opportunities are not there to pay off the debt that we have been --
HANNITY: Are you against big business?
SCHULTZ: No. Not necessarily.
HANNITY: Because I saw a lot of kids at Zuccotti Park --
SCHULTZ: I have worked for big business.
HANNITY: I saw a lot of Macs and computers and iPhones and stuff -- here's what I view as capitalism. You create goods or services that people want, need and desire, right? People choose to buy their computers, choose to buy their iPhone, choose to go to Starbucks. They choose to hire somebody, right, isn't that capitalism?
SCHULTZ: You know what? "Occupy Wall Street" fits in with that model because people are consuming the content that we are producing. They're consuming the things that we have to say about network.
HANNITY: So what's wrong with capitalism as I described it.
SCHULTZ: Well, it is not working anymore.
HANNITY: Why is it not working?
SCHULTZ: I just told you. It is completely failing people such as myself. I just told you --
HANNITY: Well, maybe -- how many days, hours, weeks did you spend there?
SCHULTZ: I couldn't --
HANNITY: Well, maybe if you weren't spending your time with the quote, "homeless people who were brought in by the police to rape people," maybe you could have been out looking for a job?
SCHULTZ: Well, I am actually starting looking for a job now --
SCHULTZ: My funding --
HANNITY: Where does the funding come from, the school or the government?
SCHULTZ: Yes. It's very complicated. I don't fully understand it myself.
HANNITY: So it comes from the government and the school.
SCHULTZ: I guess so?
HANNITY: I guess so, you don't even know. So people give you money to pay for your school. Where do you think it comes from?
SCHULTZ: They charge interest back on it.
HANNITY: You expect a loan for free? Should you have free school, free college?
SCHULTZ: People should have free education.
HANNITY: And free health care?
HANNITY: And free dental care?
SCHULTZ: Yes, I could use some free dental care.
HANNITY: And if you have children and you need day care, should the government give you day care?
HANNITY: And the government should give you a house to live in? Should the government give you a house? Give you transportation to get to work?
SCHULTZ: Yes, basic necessities such as these things should not be given to us by the government. The government and corporations should get off our backs -- so we can actually do those things?
HANNITY: Who is going to pay for your house, car, dental care, health care, education, who pays for that?
SCHULTZ: Nobody! It's free.
HANNITY: Everything's free.
SCHULTZ: We are getting to that point. That's exactly where capitalism is heading seriously --
HANNITY: You don't work. You get free money for school and you are complaining and whining --
SCHULTZ: Google is the most successful company. They give away their products for free, right? So people like us, we spend all of our time providing content on social networks, we work.
HANNITY: I have a suggestion for you --
SCHULTZ: My suggestion -- I don't need your suggestions.
HANNITY: I have a suggestion for you. You are 29 years old. Stop wasting your time at "Occupy Wall Street." Here's a novel concept, get up at 6:00 a.m., shovel some coffee down your throat.
Hit the pavement, find a job, get to work, stop whining, stop complaining, stop blaming and get your -- out of bed and get to work. How does that sound?
SCHULTZ: Give me a job. I will go to work.
HANNITY: If you pound the pavement and stop hanging out at the park, you might find one.
SCHULTZ: I am online all day --
HANNITY: Go work as a cook, a dish washer, go work as a contractor. Go do something --
SCHULTZ: More menial. Would that make you happier?
HANNITY: Listen, I did it in my life and guess what?
SCHULTZ: I have done it too.
HANNITY: Go get a job. That job is beneath you?
HANNITY: Hanging out with rapists, drug addicts, people having sex in public is more fun.
SCHULTZ: It's more dignity in that than it is hanging out in this show with you.
HANNITY: OK, listen, I'm glad to say goodbye. See you later.